Is Senuke bad for authority sites?

[chuawenching]

Hi everyone,

I scrape this post from one of the IM forum while googling. It seems like authority sites don't use Senuke (as they said little toys) and seems bad to use it? Wonder what is your take on this? About link profile, but if starting a new authority site .. even you need original and genuine comments, it takes time too (assume without automation tools like senuke). People need to be aware of your site and branding before they even want to visit your site. I mean viral marketing takes time too.

Wonder anyone who has experience building large authority sites or at least some experiences to comment on this?

Just curious.

Quote:Part 1

Apun2008 has talked about some basic tactics but IMO, if I'm building an authority site that should make $X,XXX or $XX,XXX per month, I wouldn't even touch tools like Senuke, Scrapebox, Bookmarking Demon. IMO, these are little toys that are more suited for small affiliate niche sites who want to rank on the power of exact match keywords everywhere. I certainly wouldn't use them to start ANY link-building campaign if I'm building a authority site.

Most marketers only think of using them because they've been hanging out too much at the Warrior Forum, DP, WickedFire, BacklinksForum etc....it's all about automation or semi-automation because...they're building small sites and are usually a one-man or one-woman team. So tools help. But then they get stuck in this link building mindset. And it sticks with them. They think small. They play small.

If you're going to do an authority site properly and actually rank for keywords that bring in more than at least 100,000 visitors a month, there are much better strategies than SEnuke, Xrumer blasts, Scrapebox, social bookmarks and all that jazz. If you're going to build a small site you're going to leave alone, then no problem with using these tools.

The most important thing to consider when you building these true authority sites is your link profile. Competitors can take you down by filing spam reports. I've seen it happen. Not worth it when there's a lot of money involved. So its gotta be squeaky clean and then some. Not to mention that really competitive keywords bring in money more than often have manually edited Google first pages. You really want the Google employee to see your spun content on web 2.0 properties, your general 'great post' comments left during your scrapebox run? Please. Think ahead.

Another thing is these types of links are a dime a dozen. I won't be surprised if Google has an algorithm checkbox that says -1 in value when the bot sees EzineArticles or Squidoo, these freaking links are too DAMN EASY to get. Their voting power is low. Generally, the harder it is to get a link, the more valuable it is. And the more valuable it is, the more it helps you to rank.

The ebook here placed link bait as a day 20 plan, I would put it as a day 1 plan after all the content is set up. If you do a really successful social media marketing campaign, there is no need for all the usual stuff like directory submissions and certainly no need to build link wheels (that is so 2009).

I have successfully ranked authority sites just by using link baits and paid links/guest article links. Not the usual trash blogroll/footer links. Not your rubbishy dropped-domain-that-still-has-PR links. Actual paid contextual links within FRESH UNIQUE content from ONLY RELEVANT sites. I must have spent close to a thousand alone in VA fees for each website because I was getting her to spend lots of time finding sites and negotiating link purchases directly with teens, mom-and-pop bloggers, business owners, scientists, teachers etc.

There is absolutely ZERO footprint. Compared to private blog networks that run on dropped domains and churn out dozens of blog posts in a single day, compared to text link selling networks, compared to sponsored post selling networks......this is gold. The links are magical for ranking better.

It's either that or hiring an outreach manager to hang out with bloggers, get in touch, build relationships and then pitch guest blog post. I've tried that as well, I usually have both a VA negotiating link buys and an outreach executive working together at the same time for really tough keywords.

I do this when I'm in a hurry to rank and the usual 8 month ROI plan makes me impatient. Generally linkbaits alone and some good on-site SEO is more than enough.

This is overkill if you only plan to make $3 to $5k a year (why settle for that?) but may be worth it if you want to make $5 to 10k a month MINIMUM for each site.

And yes, try to think beyond the web 2.0 properties, scrapebox, bookmarks, article directories link world.. anyone can spend a little money to get these links but very few are willing to get quality links because they 1) are lazy 2)lack the know-how 3)don't have the resources or time.

So if you are resource-scarce, spend your time to work on it. If you lack the know-how, learn more about it. If you are time-starved but resource-rich, hire someone to do it. If you are too damn lazy and just want to go back to your SEnukes and Scrapboxes, good luck with your little niche sites.

and one more

Quote:Part 2

Thanks arcadefire and Apun2008 for your priceless knowledge on the topic. So to distill what you guys said, here are the main points:

1. The promotion strategies depend on the type of site and what's your desired outcome for building the site. If you are building sites like these:
Code:

smartpassiveincome.com
internetbusinessmastery.com

You need to be a genuine person and provide real value. Stay away from spammy methods, xrummers, sunuke at least in the beginning. The way to keep the readers coming back is to provide useful information. The users will find this kind of site through a guest post on another similar site. You could also post legit comments on similar sites to lure their readers back to your authority site.

In this model, the idea is to develop loyal readership and then ultimately create a membership site that will give them most of the info available through the blog in a systematic fashion and much more for their monthly ($99 per month). If one can get 500 members, you are making $50k per month.

2. If you are building affiliate sites that promote one or more products or services ( in a review format may be?) You want to have users find your site when they search for certain terms and they won't necessarily be daily readers of such site. They are looking for bonus, discount or simple review of a product and your purpose is to get the click. I personally feel that you should also get their email by offering either a bonus for which they have to optin etc and build a list along the way.

3. If you want to associate you name and face with a site and be the authority in that niche, you wouldn't want anything to do with link spamming and mass automation. Imagine if you found Frank Kern doing link spamming, the word will get out and it will hurt the credibility big time. Not worth it.

4. It's even better to have a portfolio of authority and little mini/affiliate sites so the risk and income is spread out little bit.


Apun2008, I like your approach, for every type of site there's a blueprint to get it to liftoff. That's right there the gist of it. None of the methods/strategies are one size fit all. I was looking for the ranking strategies for a total white hat site and I'm getting some great input here.

arcadefire, like you style too, why settle for less? "This is overkill if you only plan to make $3 to $5k a year (why settle for that?) but may be worth it if you want to make $5 to 10k a month MINIMUM for each site."

What's interesting though, I would like to have both tracks in my arsenal, do the authority site(s) with complete white hat stuff and the affiliate sites that are just out there to get searchers from search engines to your site and make money on "auto pilot" (I know nothing is 100% hands off but you get the idea)

This is some quality discussion guys and thanks for your time.

[Jack]

Without the interest in reading all that I can tell you that senuke is very effective.

[chuawenching]

even for authority sites?

[QUOTE]I wouldn't even touch tools like Senuke, Scrapebox, Bookmarking Demon. IMO, these are little toys that are more suited for small affiliate niche sites who want to rank on the power of exact match keywords everywhere. I certainly wouldn't use them to start ANY link-building campaign if I'm building a authority site.[QUOTE]

[kakaboo]

(12-13-2010 04:31 AM)chuawenching Wrote:  even for authority sites?

[QUOTE]I wouldn't even touch tools like Senuke, Scrapebox, Bookmarking Demon. IMO, these are little toys that are more suited for small affiliate niche sites who want to rank on the power of exact match keywords everywhere. I certainly wouldn't use them to start ANY link-building campaign if I'm building a authority site.[QUOTE]

It depends on what you definite "authority sites" as, everybody has a different definition of authority sites.

Sure, there area people who earn a lot just from ONE single site alone, but after asking around, most of the people who are making a decent living online definitely has more than 1 site, around 3-4 sites making them 1k/month each, and to get that 3-4 sites they also have had some "loser sites" which didnt make any money at all.

Without all these tools, do you think they would have been able to achieve these kind of results so fast ? (think about ranking 10+ keywords on 10 different sites each to find out which one does the best)

BUT my take is , why waste your time on reading these crap? Try it for yourself... as long as it makes money, hey thats good for me

p.s regarding the spam complaints, if it was that easy I could also just hire someone to senuke/scrapebox/everything crappy on my competitor and then complain to google that hes doing spammy crappy acts and get him banned... I could just ask the people who are doing the backlinks to do it to my competitors site instead... do you think Google would know whos behind it? The owner of the site.. or someone else? I dont think so...

[chuawenching]

that's true too thanks man!

[DarioMontesdeOca]

Don't believe that stuff dude, you can easily build up an "authority" website and not do much of the work by outsourcing many of the components to receive the traffic he's mentioning.

Just take a look at what Vita Vee is doing, SEONuking is the service he's using and you don't see him complaining