Synonym Spinning Better Than Sentence Spinning?

[Vita_Vee]

Hi

Today at the support desk I received the following message from a customer who purchased his very first Ultra Spinnable Article:

Quote:The article I received was simply not that great. There was no synonym level spinning at all, which just is basic stuff as far as SEO article spinning. Pretty disappointed, took over 1 hr to even make the article worthwhile

After reading his message I realized that there were probably many other people who were thinking like him. This is why I wanted to post my reply publicly, so here it is.

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Hi XXXX

I don't want to be rude but actually it seems you are clueless on the best SEO practices when it comes to spinning, don't take it wrong, I'm not saying this as an insult or whatsoever, I just want you to realize that you're {100%|200%|completely} wrong and give you a chance to join those who know

I have been using spun articles for SEO for many years and I'm going to prove you right now that synonym spinning is FAR less powerful than paragraph + sentence spinning; and also that you absolutely do NOT need to spend 1 hour to add any synonym to our Premium Ultra Spinnable Articles. That's just wasted time.

If you're with me, then let's go.

First please tell me what do you think about the following sentence spun on the word/phrase level:

The {core|center|key|fundation} of {weight loss|fat reduction|weight reduction} {math|mathematics} is {pretty|quite|rather|very|extremely} {simple|easy|straightforward}.

It's not super spun but it's quite decent. We could add more synonyms for sure but it's already better than what some people do.

Let me generate a few readable variations from that sentence (please read them all):

The core of fat reduction mathematics is quite straightforward.
The core of fat reduction math is rather straightforward.
The core of fat reduction math is very simple.
The center of weight reduction math is pretty easy.
The core of weight reduction mathematics is pretty simple.
The center of weight loss mathematics is extremely easy.
The fundation of fat reduction mathematics is pretty easy.
The core of weight reduction mathematics is pretty straightforward.
The center of weight loss math is rather easy.
The key of weight loss math is rather simple.
The core of weight reduction mathematics is rather simple.
The fundation of fat reduction math is pretty easy.
The fundation of fat reduction mathematics is very easy.
The center of fat reduction mathematics is very simple.
The core of weight reduction mathematics is quite simple.
The core of weight reduction mathematics is pretty easy.
The center of weight reduction math is very easy.
The core of weight loss math is very simple.
The center of weight loss mathematics is rather easy.
The core of weight loss mathematics is quite straightforward.
The fundation of weight loss mathematics is rather easy.
The center of weight reduction math is quite easy.
The core of fat reduction mathematics is rather simple.
The fundation of weight loss mathematics is very easy.
The fundation of fat reduction math is pretty straightforward.

After reading them, didn't you feel you were reading the same thing?

Personally I had this impression.

And guess what? The search engines too!

They can very very easily detect that all those sentences are from a spun article. Why? Because the variations are based on synonyms! The search engines know the synonyms of ALL the words better than you and me. They also know the related keywords of all the words in specific contexts. They also see that all those sentences convey EXACTLY the same message and if your whole article is composed of such sentences and all your variations are linking to the same site (yours) it won't take long for Google to find that something is suspect...

Now let me show you the power of sentence variations - same topic as above:

* For too long we have all heard about calories, burning them and losing weight; you know the math about that, we are sure.
* In some ways weight loss is like math because you have to make what you can burn-up every day greater than what you eat each day.
* You already know that if you want to lose weight you need to eat less and exercise more.
* The one thing we all know about dropping unwanted pounds is exercise and eating sensibly with fewer calories.
* There is no secret to weight loss even though it is an incredibly huge industry - right kind of exercising along with a smart diet.
* It seems so unusual that Americans have the toughest time with controlling weight; that plus the amount of information on achieving it is all around us.
* Every overweight person knows full well that excess calories and a sedentary lifestyle is a recipe for being overweight - so what gives, here?
* You already know that the best way to lose weight is to reduce your calorie intake and increase your exercise routine.
* You are already aware that the most effective method for weight reduction is eating fewer calories and introducing a more extensive exercise session.
* As we all know, expending energy through exercise and lowering the calories you consume is the quickest way to drop a few pounds.
* Of course we do realize that the most successful way to achieve weight reduction is to physically work out harder and not eat so many calories.
* It is a well known fact that the two most valuable tips on weight loss are keeping our calorie count to a minimum, along with putting more punch into our exercise regimen.
* If you want to lose weight you need to make sure that you burn off more calories than you take in.
* You perhaps have read all the time that losing weight is easy - get rid of more calories than you take in.
* Everyone can easily figure out that if you are interested to lose some weight, then one smart approach is making the calories coming in each day less than the amount you get rid of each day.
* We know how frustrating so many people are who try to shed excess weight, and sometime it does not seem as simple as calories burned versus calories consumed, etc.
* If you have struggled to lose weight, then even though you know the deal about calories each day for some reason maybe it does not work for you.
* By now you’ve probably been told that if you want to lose weight you need to cut down on the amount of calories you consume every day.
* The most often-mentioned advice for weight loss is decreasing your daily caloric count.
* The simple formula for weight loss is the calories goes in is less than what goes out; easy no?
* It is like a broken record: if you are trying to drop excess pounds, simply eat less so your calories are not as much.
* You have to admit that lowering the amount you eat and thus calories every day will naturally result in weight reduction.
* We know some people have metabolic issues; however, the formula for weight loss can be relatively straightforward consisting of fewer calories at meals.
* One of the first things you will learn about dieting is that you need to burn more calories than you take in if you really want to lose weight.
* If you are not a stranger to the weight loss effort, then you already know very well the adage about eating fewer calories than you can manage to burn on any given day.

I don't know for you but this time I absolutely did NOT have the impression I was reading the same thing...

And guess what? Yes... it's the same thing for the search engines! The grammatical structure of these sentences is different, the number of words is different, there is nothing that can trigger a red flag - no identifiable synonyms, not exactly the same message etc...

PLUS when you combine this with paragraph spinning you end up with articles that cover different subtopics of the main subject AND the structure of the articles change (different number of paragraphs, different number of sentences). This is exactly what our Ultra Spinnable Articles are all about.

Now if this is not enough for you please check this thread where I proved that Google sees the variations of our USAs as unique variations even when they are posted on the SAME site (even if they have been blasted on the net by tens of thousands of people):

http://vitavee.com/forums/thread-2187.html

NEVER, I really mean NEVER, would I post several variations of an article spun on the words level on my website - onsite duplicate content will penalize you.

Also I could talk to you about my personal experience and how these articles spun on the paragraph + sentence level have allowed me to achieve countless of #1 rankings but instead I'll let you read the personal experience of others who have experienced the power of these articles for their rankings (and how much money they are making with them):

http://vitavee.com/seonuking-forum-thread


Kind Regards
V2

PS: If you absolutely want to use synonym spinning, then at the very least do this:

Step 1 - Spin your article at the sentence level
Step 2 - Spin your sentence variations with synonyms

[enzo]

Well Said Vita!

I've done my own testing of Spin (word level and Sentence level) and this is what I've seen in my sites and backlink building:

Word spinning (not being indexed) enough
Sentence spinning (indexed well enough and same rate with Original content)

My tests showed about 14 - 45 days indexing rates with Word spins.

@VV, want to thank you for giving me a headsup on my training being shared w/o my knowledge. It's closed for now and been very busy with local seo.

Thanks for this update

[Extreme marketing]

That was the best explanation I've seen on the difference of USA's and spin articles. Do you mind if I publish that on my blog so I can use it to explain/promote your service?

[vij]

When I used to write spintax articles I would generally keep the original sentence, make an alternate sentence and then envelop everything with a further layer of word spins.

But the scale at which you do it, its probably fine to do sentence spinning. And with just word spinning the point you brought up is actually interesting.

[Vita_Vee]

(10-15-2011 01:47 PM)enzo Wrote:  Well Said Vita!

I've done my own testing of Spin (word level and Sentence level) and this is what I've seen in my sites and backlink building:

Word spinning (not being indexed) enough
Sentence spinning (indexed well enough and same rate with Original content)

My tests showed about 14 - 45 days indexing rates with Word spins.

Thanks for sharing Enzo, that's quite long! The USAs get indexed within 24 hours and even less, that's a huge difference.

(10-15-2011 01:47 PM)enzo Wrote:  @VV, want to thank you for giving me a headsup on my training being shared w/o my knowledge. It's closed for now and been very busy with local seo.

Thanks for this update

You're welcome

(10-15-2011 01:58 PM)Extreme marketing Wrote:  That was the best explanation I've seen on the difference of USA's and spin articles. Do you mind if I publish that on my blog so I can use it to explain/promote your service?

Thanks - yes don't hesitate to use it on your blog

[Vita_Vee]

(10-15-2011 02:46 PM)vij Wrote:  When I used to write spintax articles I would generally keep the original sentence, make an alternate sentence and then envelop everything with a further layer of word spins.

That's a good start and it can even be enough if you're the only one to use it and don't use it too much.

[slimdusty72]

Hi Vita,
Firstly I want to say that I'm really glad I've subscribed to your article service, not only for the articles, but also because of access to this forum and community. At quick glance, its easy to see that there is frank discussion of issues, but done in a warm and generous spirit. I'm glad to see that you are so personally involved and respond to questions.

I saw this post in the email you sent, and I'm glad you sent it because I was also thinking some of the same things. I think the articles are GREAT, but was wondering about the lack of synonym spinning.

There is no doubt that sentence and paragraph spinning are essential. But, I think that the customer might have been stating that as well as sentence and paragraph spinning, synonym spinning should also have been included.

There is great controversy about duplicate content and indexing rates. I like the work you have done showing that your USAs get indexed despite being used multiple times. This was a great practical demonstration.

But still, the issue of indexing duplicate content is complicated. For an experiment, I posted 3 articles on my blog which were 100% duplicate content, and they were all indexed within a few days.

Although duplicate or similar content is still indexed by google, we still want to spin our articles as much as possible to increase our chances of indexing (and to minimise footprints)....that's why we get your USAa, right! And you have shown that currently, your USAs still get indexed even if they have been blasted. So they work.

Synonym spinning is not better than paragraph/sentence spinning, but it sure is an important addition. Personally, I would prefer fewer sentence/paragraph spins, while adding 1-2 quality synonym spins per sentence. Auto-spinning significantly degrades the readability, where some quality manual spinning would be fantastic. Remember that google detects n-grams, which are generally 4 word combinations. That's the basis of copyscape. I know that copyscape does not equal indexing rates (at this stage), but if copyscape can detect an article as duplicate, then so can google. And there is nothing to stop google from devaluing or not indexing duplicate content in the future. Synonym spinning (at least at the phrase or 4-word level would make articles pass copyscape even with multiple spins).

I've been rambling on, so I have to summarise my points:

*I think your product is great and gets indexed, and I'm glad I've found this service... it will save me countless number of hours!

*Although google does index USAs now (it also indexes 100% duplicate content), it is very easy for google to know that USAs spun articles are similar given that the level of spinning is only at paragraph/sentence, rather than word/phrase/sentence/paragraph. Copyscape can pick it up, so can google.

*Although duplicate or similar content may be indexed, this does not mean that google neccesarily passes link juice from duplicate content. For all we know, the articles may be indexed, but the backlink may not count! This is only speculation.

*Word/phrase PLUS sentence/paragraph spinning guarantees that the search engines see the content as unique. Auto-synonym spinning generally produces spun gibberish. Manual synonym spinning is really time consuming but gives great results. It would be great to see this synonym spinning added, maybe at the expense of dropping the number of sentence or paragraph spins.

I'd be interested to see your response!

[mikem094]

Thanks for that Vita - very interesting.

I agree with you for the most part but I think one way that word/synonym spins work better is when passing Copyscape.

And yes, I know you have explained that Big G does not use Copyscape so there are no SEO implications with "failing" Copyscape, but I have found that Ezinearticles appears to use Copyscape when approving articles - and so I get my USAs rejected by them on "prior use" grounds.

Anyone else had a problem with EZA and USA articles?

regards

Mike

[vij]

(10-15-2011 02:58 PM)mikem094 Wrote:  Thanks for that Vita - very interesting.

I agree with you for the most part but I think one way that word/synonym spins work better is when passing Copyscape.

And yes, I know you have explained that Big G does not use Copyscape so there are no SEO implications with "failing" Copyscape, but I have found that Ezinearticles appears to use Copyscape when approving articles - and so I get my USAs rejected by them on "prior use" grounds.

Anyone else had a problem with EZA and USA articles?

regards

Mike

Its very difficult to do word spinning on the current premium USA because it would mean too much work. So what is the alternative? Reduce the paragraph spin and do word/phrase spin? or maybe do the phrase/word spinning on the first intro paragraph(and its variations) only?

The fact is no matter what's done they will not pass copyscape after 100 people download and start scattering them everywhere.

Ezine will never accept USA. I stopped submitting to them when they told me some of my articles(not USA) are unique but dont present anything new.

[Vita_Vee]

@slimdusty72 Thanks for your reply, you brought up very interesting points:

(10-15-2011 02:55 PM)slimdusty72 Wrote:  There is no doubt that sentence and paragraph spinning are essential. But, I think that the customer might have been stating that as well as sentence and paragraph spinning, synonym spinning should also have been included.

In that case, no; the message was that the articles without synspin were useless. But I agree with you, the more levels of spinning we have the better.

I sent an email some times ago to my customers to tell them that we will progressively introduce word spinning in addition to paragraph/sentence spinning. We have about 15 articles ready so far (about 21,000 words each! ) but they are not yet in the marketplace.

Those articles require a lot of additional work as you can imagine (and cost much more to produce as all is done manually). Hopefully we will get there soon enough

(10-15-2011 02:55 PM)slimdusty72 Wrote:  For an experiment, I posted 3 articles on my blog which were 100% duplicate content, and they were all indexed within a few days.

I have no doubt about this. However I'm also certain that now only 1 of the 3 is indexed, isn't it the case? I also ran a similar experiment myself - Google indexes first and then makes adjustments and removes what must be removed.

(10-15-2011 02:55 PM)slimdusty72 Wrote:  *Although duplicate or similar content may be indexed, this does not mean that google neccesarily passes link juice from duplicate content. For all we know, the articles may be indexed, but the backlink may not count! This is only speculation.

This is indeed very difficult to evaluate. Right now we know that google passes linkjuice from them because we rank all the time by using nothing else than these articles for our submissions. However Google is always adjusting/improving their algorithm - so maybe one day they will not pass linkjuice anymore or just a fraction of it. If that day comes the serps landscape will change dramatically.

(10-15-2011 02:58 PM)mikem094 Wrote:  Thanks for that Vita - very interesting.

I agree with you for the most part but I think one way that word/synonym spins work better is when passing Copyscape.

And yes, I know you have explained that Big G does not use Copyscape so there are no SEO implications with "failing" Copyscape, but I have found that Ezinearticles appears to use Copyscape when approving articles - and so I get my USAs rejected by them on "prior use" grounds.

Anyone else had a problem with EZA and USA articles?

regards

Mike

Hi Mike

I definitely recommend that you do not use them with EZA as you risk to have your account closed. EZA requires that you own the rights of the articles you submit to them. If they see sentences of the same article published elsewhere they will not approve your submission.

You have the same concern as Cybermistic.

Please have a look at his post here: http://vitavee.com/forums/thread-2187-po...l#pid25415

And at my reply here: http://vitavee.com/forums/thread-2187-po...l#pid25420

Kind Regards
V2

[iltc8888]

Yes I can't wait for the new USA thats around 21K words which is spun at paragraph, sentence & word level

[Palusko]

When I received your email "Synonym Spinning Better Than Sentence Spinning?‏", the first thing that popped in mind was "If you are going to switch to mere synonym spinning just to make it easier/cheaper to write the articles, I am gone". That's why I was glad to read your response.
First of all, why would I want to have synonym spinning? If you want to do synonym spinning, just get the article and spin it again.
As for quality of the articles, I subscribe to 5 Mini spinnables, and for most part, the quality was fine, and only minor adjustments were needed to make the articles readable. From time to time some of the spins fall short, but that is to be expected.
As for SEO, I have ALL articles indexed within hours. All of them show some duplication when ran through copyscape, but it had no effect on indexing them. And no, none of my site went down in rankings because of (semi)duplicate content. In fact, I typically adjust some of the articles to contain some keywords, and so far I have been very happy with ranking. Of course, these articles are combined with 100% original and comprehensive articles that I post on my blog along side with Mini's, and so far I am very happy with the results.

[Chris L]

Thanks Vita for this discussion. I recently subscribed to the minis and have been very pleased with them. I already liked the way the sentences were spun and now I can see a clear argument for it too.

This thread has certainly given me something to think about when spinning my own articles, which thankfully subscribing to the USMs means I now have to do less.

CL

[Mo_Taqi]

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Quote:Thanks David

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[ly.bit]

Great Vita!!!!!

Please not for a second even let anyone doubt you in what you do

Obviously sometimes take heed to what there saying - but im happy
im on Vitas list and I look forward to the future of what we learn and share
between is all and especially the ones that are passionate about all the SEO
work and internet marketing work we do online and offline

[afsafs]

Hello!

I just purchased spinchimp via your aff link, get api key and entered it in your software. But when i trying to synonimize article using spinchimp it return me error - such as you have 26k words at your article when 15k is only allowed.

How to fix it? I am want full synonimization, not only level1 of article!

[Vita_Vee]

Hello afsafs

Thanks for your purchase via my link.

They have increased the limit to 30K words for the customers of TheLeadingArticles.com so it should be working now

V2

[grubner1]

(12-26-2011 03:38 PM)Vita_Vee Wrote:  Hello afsafs

Thanks for your purchase via my link.

They have increased the limit to 30K words for the customers of TheLeadingArticles.com so it should be working now

V2

From where do I get the API?!?!
I bought the software but don't know where is the API to enter in the USA?!?

[Vita_Vee]

You need to access your account profile via their website:

http://spinchimp.com/user-management/

You will find your API key there.

[grubner1]

Thanks!!!