Would you form an Alliance with me?

[Vita_Vee]

(11-05-2009 01:21 PM)sannyman Wrote:  Hi again guys and gals,

With your permission, I would like to try to "temper" - or "cool" down a little bit some proposals, just to be sure that almost everybody here will have a fair chance... If you do not know, I was the one against a "Howie Schwarz" approach and the reason for it - as my presence here - is obvious: I do not "qualify" for such high financial expectations. Now, I do not expect to get all for free - I know, there is nothing free, including the lunch - but I will not vote for upfront payments. What I can do - and will do if this will be the case - I will agree that ALL payments to go to VV's account and recover my share FROM HIM, when a certain / considerable amount will be gathered. Why? Not because I am completely broken but having a system in place that allows the ones with enough money to get all available spots, will definitely encourage rehashed crap to be promoted just because it brings money upfront! This is not WS forum and I hope I will not see a WSO alike section here, with tricky bumps and endorsed "add-ons" for the promotion and sales... I have nothing with that forum nor with their promotion mechanisms, I just want something different if possible.

I hope I didn't stir the wasps' nest with this comment.

Peace!

I can't take all the profits and share them with the rest of the students after launch, this would add a lot of extra work for me, especially with recurring payments and refunds.
It's much better if sales go into members' accounts directly.

About the price it's certainly not going to be as expensive as what Howie is doing but it's not going to be cheap either. This is a very time consuming service that I would be offering, so it has to be worth my time or else I could just continue working alone on my own projects. I think the idea of a per project fee is very interesting for 3 reasons:

1/ Members who signup for ONE specific project are more willing to take action.
2/ There is no monthly engagement.
3/ I would give a difficulty rating and an expected profitability index per project.

(11-05-2009 07:17 PM)PartainSr Wrote:  I would like to know the level of assurance we would have of turning a profit. I think we all assume we will make money and not lose money, but is that really true?

There is a 100% probability that some members would NOT make any money.
How is that for a benefit oriented headline?

Super Alliance Membership
The Membership with 100% Probability that some will NOT make money!
Enroll Now Before It's Too Late.

LOL :-)

More seriously: I know that some members and especially newbies would have non profitable websites BUT in the process they would have learnt and more importantly APPLIED so many things that their next attempt or maybe the third one could very realistically be a smashing success. Furthermore, once they have done it once from start to finish they don't need to enroll for another one, they can do it on their own if they feel confident that they understood the whole process and this is my goal.

Just so you know, a member of this forum sent me an email a few days ago. He tried my blueprint twice. He did it very seriously. His first attempt he didn't make sales or just one or two I don't remember well... But he didn't pick the keywords I was recommending. I gave him some advices and guidelines, then for his second attempt he got #1 spot at launch day and made more than $8,000 in pure profits in 7 days only.

Why? Because he knew that this blueprint was working. A failed attempt doesn't mean that the system doesn't work, it only means that some things were not done well enough (not following the blueprint 100%). I put him back on track, he did the work and now he is very happy. I can't tell you who this member is, I think he's going to put a testimonial in the forum in a few days.

(11-05-2009 07:17 PM)PartainSr Wrote:  Vita Vee, if we join this, at whatever cost, how much risk is there?

There's absolutely no risk. Even if you don't make a profit for one specific project, as I said above, you will have learnt and applied so many things that you will feel confident that you can do it the next time.

(11-05-2009 07:17 PM)PartainSr Wrote:  Where would the actual profit come from? Since it is a club, or alliance, would the profits from the launch be put into a big pot and then split up after it's over? Or would you simply be instructing us while we pay and then we make whatever we make. All the while we would be competing against each other.

I think the idea of splitting the profits sounds good. I mean we really could own the first three pages of Google. The problem would be that not everyone would be doing their fair share of work. So how would you determine who gets what?

I want to avoid that, no profit sharing is the best way to do it for one simple reason: there are members who will work MUCH more seriously than others. If we share the profits some will count on the others.

VV

[fingerling]

(11-05-2009 07:17 PM)PartainSr Wrote:  I would like to know the level of assurance we would have of turning a profit. I think we all assume we will make money and not lose money, but is that really true?

(11-08-2009 05:11 PM)Vita_Vee Wrote:  There is a 100% probability that some members would NOT make any money.
How is that for a benefit oriented headline?

Super Alliance Membership
The Membership with 100% Probability that some will NOT make money!
Enroll Now Before It's Too Late.

LOL :-)

LOL pretty funny sense of humor

[vinnychase]

I like this idea and i think it would make a good learning experience for me but it all depends on price. I would also have to get senuke for this so this will be a cost factor also. I do not want to spent a ton when i have never made 1 red cent yet. But like i said this will be great for learning.

[Vita_Vee]

Now I'm pretty sure I will go for a "per product launch" fee, not a monthly membership.

I would like to know what all of you are thinking would be a fair price?

This would be a group coaching with personal responses in a private section of the forum (so if one of you have a problem I would address his questions in the private section of the forum for the benefits of all the other registered members).

Each of us would have a dedicated thread that would be used as a journal. We would post all the actions that we are performing on a day by day basis. I would have such a thread myself and this would give you the opportunity to know EXACTLY what I'm doing each and every day, and you would see the results in real time.

I would read the journal threads of all the registered members and check if you're doing things well or not. If you're not doing something well, I would tell you what you should do instead.

I would also organize an interlinking campaign between the members blogs to help eachother rank higher in the serps (basically I would tell: member 1 links to those pages, member 2 links to those pages etc... We would not have any reciprocal linking).

I would give you advices about the tone of the reviews and ideas for bonuses to offer.

And in the public forum I would have a rotating link between ALL the members blogs.

At the end of a project: each member would have performed all the required steps from start to finish for a product launch promotion. The way I do it myself.

VV

[jnshield]

(11-08-2009 05:11 PM)Vita_Vee Wrote:  Why? Because he knew that this blueprint was working. A failed attempt doesn't mean that the system doesn't work, it only means that some things were not done well enough (not following the blueprint 100%). I put him back on track, he did the work and now he is very happy. I can't tell you who this member is, I think he's going to put a testimonial in the forum in a few days.

Hey everyone I know I have not been very active on the forum lately but I do want to change all that.

I just wanted to chime in with what Vita is saying, an alliance club like the one Vita is proposing would be so helpful to anyone that is doing launches for the 1st time or even those like me who have 1 or 2 campaigns under our belt. By the way the guy in the quote above Vita was talking about was me. You can now read my full testimonial in the from 0 to profits thread. Its not just a matter of making a profit from the launches but also knowing the steps involved and seeing a master marketer i.e Vita at work. People would pay A LOT of money for that type of support and training.

Vita I would love to be a part of this alliance it would be just what I need to stay on track and expand my launches. Working with you would also be the icing on the cake. I would be happy to also help you out if you needed me to, maybe comment on what I know etc. Im not sure what price would be suitable as something like this is very time consuming for you but I am sure you will choose a price that is suitable for all.

But please count me in and let me know when our 1st launch is I am excited already to work with you!

[EDITED BY VITA VEE: I just wanted to add the reference to the testimonial post you mentioned above: http://vitavee.com/forums/thread-38-post...ml#pid4571 ]

[vinnychase]

I agree that i am more in it for the learning than the making money part. Making money will come later once i learn how to do this the proper way. I just do not want to spend a fortune. I do not need to be held by the hand, but some coaching would be nice. I am a mess right now with the 23 dvd's i been downloading and watching everyone's methods and so far i made a total or .17 today I am starting to get sick of all the information overload and just want to do it the right way.

[Eddie53]

This sounds really good and I would love to be a part of it.

Regards
Eddie

[fingerling]

Hey Vita I definitely want to be a part of this - I have no idea on the cost however I know it will be very time consuming for you especially if you're reading everyone's thread and answering questions.

How long will this process take? From the start to finish? Two weeks, a month? I know it depends on the launch that's chosen but what would you think a good amount of time would be?

And when is it going to start?

[viikii]

i agree with fingerling. it's learning process from the right person.

Vita can guide us to the right direction and money will flow eventually.
I will definitely want to be a part of his inner circle.

[SaSh]

Hi Vita Vee,
Sounds great! Do you have an idea how many hours per day a member would have to spend on a promotion ?

SaSh

[jessie.yang]

HI VV
Apart from the questions other members have already asked, I'd like to know if you'll put a cap on how many ppl are allowed into the club. I guess this will be a trade-off: only a handful of ppl means high cost per head, but a large group means difficult to manage and too time-consuming to look after everyone and make everyone happy.

Also, I'm wondering what's going to happen if all group members start promoting one particular product? Maybe we can dominate the first 2 or 3 pages of Google? but what will make the difference between rank 2 and 3 if everyone followed exactly what you teach?

Regarding the cost...seems noone has put down any figure yet. It's not easy cos most interested ppl are just starting out and don't have deep pockets(pls correct me if I'm wrong).

cheers
Jessie

[rudyvise]

VV, i am in on this.... Big Time!
Rudy

[Jack]

(11-10-2009 05:16 PM)Vita_Vee Wrote:  Now I'm pretty sure I will go for a "per product launch" fee, not a monthly membership.

I would like to know what all of you are thinking would be a fair price?

This would be a group coaching with personal responses in a private section of the forum (so if one of you have a problem I would address his questions in the private section of the forum for the benefits of all the other registered members).

Each of us would have a dedicated thread that would be used as a journal. We would post all the actions that we are performing on a day by day basis. I would have such a thread myself and this would give you the opportunity to know EXACTLY what I'm doing each and every day, and you would see the results in real time.

I would read the journal threads of all the registered members and check if you're doing things well or not. If you're not doing something well, I would tell you what you should do instead.

I would also organize an interlinking campaign between the members blogs to help eachother rank higher in the serps (basically I would tell: member 1 links to those pages, member 2 links to those pages etc... We would not have any reciprocal linking).

I would give you advices about the tone of the reviews and ideas for bonuses to offer.

And in the public forum I would have a rotating link between ALL the members blogs.

At the end of a project: each member would have performed all the required steps from start to finish for a product launch promotion. The way I do it myself.

VV

Sounds like you've got a working plan Vita. I would definitely be in. As far as what a fair price is, I have no idea. What I would be willing to spend on it is dependent on how much of a chance I could profit from it. And that would depend on more factors than just how much we are willing to put in effort. Factors such as the quality of the product itself, it's conversion rate, etc. will affect our success.

I am more than willing to work hard. That is not a problem. I am primarily concerned about us competing with each other. If we all promote the same product, using the same techniques, then only a few of us would make money no matter how hard we work.

A journal would keep us accountable for our actions, that is a really good idea!

[sharma79]

The answer is "Yes".

I would be delighted to be a part of this coaching program. I personally have learned more from Vita Vee then all the pricey ebook and other IM courses put together.

I am IN

Cheers,

Vik

[fingerling]

Hey Vita and everyone I have a few ideas I'd like to share so this is a pretty long post. Please let me know what you think and feel free to add any ideas of your own that may spark from mine or ideas that you've already had:

First - there are many people that are concerned about a lot of us doing the same launch, which is very understandable. If we all know what to do and we're all doing the same launch and not working with each other - what kind of results will most of us have?

Depending on how many people are involved, we all may or may not get on the first page however I don't see good results here because we all can't be number 1 - 10.

Some of us will take up two or more spots on the first page - leaving some of us out of luck and out of most of the profits.

Now this can easily be rectified by simply not all promoting the same launch. I don't know how many of you have been to JV Notify but there are always plenty of launches to promote.

Sometimes there's more than one launch that's going to take place on the same day. There are also many launches that happen within days of each other.

Sometimes there's two, three or more launches that happen within days of each other. I think there is more than enough for a group of people to be able to accomplish a common goal of making money with one of these launches.

Vita can look at the launches and pick out some of them and we can pick one. Now we all obviously can not pick the same launch so there will be a limit of people participating in any particular launch.

Vita will only help you with the launch that you chose to participate in when you joined. He will not assist you in a launch that others are doing for obvious reason.

This would obviously put a limit on the number of people that can sign up for Vita's course - which could very well all depend on the launches available.

Maybe some of us want to do a launch that's going to take place right now because we can get it up and running quickly. Maybe some of us wish to participate in a launch that is taking place in a month or so - giving us more time to prepare for it.

Second - for those that really don't want to do a launch - I've read in the forums that some people really are not into the internet marketing thing.

They'd like to do something that involves what their website is about
like maybe say:

• Dog Trianing
• Stay At Home Moms
• Health Care
• Weight Loss
  

Whatever they may be interesting in. Why can't we apply Vitas videos to ANY niche?

I've applied them to mine. I just started this so please don't ask about the results I will be more than happy to share my results with everyone once I get the hang of this.

I see no reason why this can't work with any website.

We can let Vita know what we are trying to achieve with a particular page on our website and he can advise us accordingly.

All of this can be in the same part of the forum where we can all have a look at what each person participating is doing and we can get ideas and help from all of it.

Ok folks that's just a thought that I'd thought I'd share with everyone.

Please share you own.

[Vita_Vee]

(11-12-2009 04:15 PM)fingerling Wrote:  Hey Vita I definitely want to be a part of this - I have no idea on the cost however I know it will be very time consuming for you especially if you're reading everyone's thread and answering questions.

How long will this process take? From the start to finish? Two weeks, a month? I know it depends on the launch that's chosen but what would you think a good amount of time would be?

And when is it going to start?

I think I would only pick products that give us at least 2 weeks. We can get top rankings much faster but it would be easier for the whole group if we have more time than needed for the launches we participate in.

For the start date it will be just after the launch of "from 0 to profits" (BTW this is not the definitive name of the product). Probably in January 2010 or beginning of February.

(11-14-2009 09:49 AM)SaSh Wrote:  Hi Vita Vee,
Sounds great! Do you have an idea how many hours per day a member would have to spend on a promotion ?

SaSh

This highly depends on the level of expertise of the student. For example someone who is not very familiar with wordpress will need more time because he will have more work to do (promotion + getting the needed knowledge on how to use wordpress). Or someone who has never written a review will need more time to come up with his first review... But I think you will all need AT LEAST 2 hours per day. Including the week ends. This is important to understand that my blueprint requires work and I will have to insist on this fact.

(11-14-2009 01:09 PM)jessie.yang Wrote:  HI VV
Apart from the questions other members have already asked, I'd like to know if you'll put a cap on how many ppl are allowed into the club. I guess this will be a trade-off: only a handful of ppl means high cost per head, but a large group means difficult to manage and too time-consuming to look after everyone and make everyone happy.

Also, I'm wondering what's going to happen if all group members start promoting one particular product? Maybe we can dominate the first 2 or 3 pages of Google? but what will make the difference between rank 2 and 3 if everyone followed exactly what you teach?

Regarding the cost...seems noone has put down any figure yet. It's not easy cos most interested ppl are just starting out and don't have deep pockets(pls correct me if I'm wrong).

cheers
Jessie

Hi Jessie,

First about the costs, I'm aware that people who need this kind of training the most are people starting out so I will take this into account and won't charge outrageous fees for sure. The cost will depend on the number of people I take and on the duration of the promotion. If this is a 2 weeks promotion it will cost less than a 3 weeks one.

The groups are probably going to be limited to 20 students or so. I wouldn't be able to give a good personal assistance to more people.

A solution to reduce the cost per person would be to allow other people to enter the club for a specific launch as "spectators". They would be able to read all our private threads and follow the evolution of our promotion but would not be able to post anything in the private forum and of course would not get any personal assistance. They would essentially just get access to a live, step by step, case study. This is just an idea that popped up while I was typing, I'm not sure yet if this is something I will do.

(11-15-2009 01:02 AM)rudyvise Wrote:  VV, i am in on this.... Big Time!
Rudy

Great to count you in Rudy

(11-15-2009 08:06 AM)PartainSr Wrote:  Sounds like you've got a working plan Vita. I would definitely be in. As far as what a fair price is, I have no idea. What I would be willing to spend on it is dependent on how much of a chance I could profit from it. And that would depend on more factors than just how much we are willing to put in effort. Factors such as the quality of the product itself, it's conversion rate, etc. will affect our success.

I am more than willing to work hard. That is not a problem. I am primarily concerned about us competing with each other. If we all promote the same product, using the same techniques, then only a few of us would make money no matter how hard we work.

A journal would keep us accountable for our actions, that is a really good idea!

Glad to read that you are more than willing to work hard on this, I was not expecting less than that from you

About us competing with each other I understand your concerns and I know that only some of the students will make profits from one coaching session. But the goal of these coaching sessions, much more than making immediate profits, is to give you ALL the knowledge and EXPERIENCE you need to fly by yourself. Even by following my video course and seeing step by step how I do things, there is nothing that can replace experience. After doing it once with my personal assistance, it will be much easier for all of you to continue doing it without the need of any help.

(11-17-2009 12:03 PM)sharma79 Wrote:  The answer is "Yes".

I would be delighted to be a part of this coaching program. I personally have learned more from Vita Vee then all the pricey ebook and other IM courses put together.

I am IN

Cheers,

Vik

Thanks Vik for jumping in before knowing all the details of the offer

@fingerling:

Wow that was a great post with lots of ideas.

But unfortunately this would not be feasible (picking different products) it would be impossible for me to follow everyone especially with different launch dates. That would cause me big headaches I think

The competition between the students is not a problem IMHO as I said above what is important is that you practice what I teach and that I'm here to put you back on rail if I see you're not taking the right direction.

After a coaching session then anyone can promote the products he wants, in the IM niche or another niche as long as you're targeting the product names (the most profitable keywords in 99% of the cases).

In the IM Niche and for product launches the advantage is that you can get huge spikes of money rolling in, that's a good thing because you can get some money to expand your business. But then after the first few days of the launch the commission will decrease significantly. But who would say NO to a $15,000 day or to a $20,000 or $30,000 dollars week?

VV

[jessie.yang]

Hi VV
Count me in!

I'm willing to put in a lot more than 2 hours a day

cheers
Jessie

[Wdhkid]

I'm afraid I still have to battle through the 'From 0 to Profits' training first before taking up such an ambitious commitment but the idea makes perfect sense.

[Jack]

Thank You Vita Vee!

I'm sure that we will learn a lot from you!

[paperkool]

Great idea. I'll be looking forward to your input.