How Can I Become a Programmer?

[Infinity]

I wish I could create cool software like SENuke and Link Dozer to make my life easier. Any programmers in this forum know how I could start off and how long it would take me to become a pro? Well, not going to do it right now, but once I start earning enough to relax and take my time...

[Vita_Vee]

I would recommend the C++ language.
You will need a good book and thousands of hours of practice

[Infinity]

Ok. Noted...

[boiler]

lol

i'm only know php and server administration

[graham23s]

PHP is a good one i learned from books and mainly video tutorials (i think i have nion everyone made lol)

pm me if you want i can send some for ya.

Graham

[rudyvise]

just go and buy ubot from ubot.org. No need to program.

Rudy

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just go and buy ubot from ubot.org. No need to program.

Rudy

[jessie.yang]

I think programming goes a lot deeper than using tools. ubot is a tool that you can use to create new tools but programming was needed to develop this particular tool...

[rudyvise]

True jessie, but Ubot means that 100% of the time i don't need to pay for a programmer. I just make the tools myself. Now thats innovation.

[ontop]

Hi guys, first post (weee!).

My suggestion is to first decide what you want to build. If it's an actual client application and not a web application, then I suggest C# or VB.net. You need a book that focuses mainly on this type of development. If you are doing a web application, then I suggest ASP.NET/C# or PHP and getting a book mainly focused on that.

Read the book to get a basic knowledge and then decide on a simple project to create and then go to town on it, blindly feeling your way around. Your first project will most likely take forever and be a disaster but it gets easier with every iteration.

Li (programming and geeking out for the last 10+ years, java, .net, etc)

[johnchen]

I've always wished to have some time to learn more about php because I've found that to be so powerful as seen by how some of these internet marketers who are also experts in php can keep coming up with products after products and making lots of sales...

I'm sure php is going to be the first one I'll go after...

[snikaclick]

Hi Infinity!
I would like to give my opinion och your question.
I would like to state that both of my parents are programmers and I myself have done quite a lot of programming in my days, mainly with C#/C++

First of, the answer is dependent on what kind of programmer you want to become. If you want to design software in general, C++ and Java are two languages that are extremely popular. If you are talking about web design then javascript, css, php.

Now I want to advice you from becoming a programmer.

This is because I don't get the impression you want to be a full-time programmer and to become one takes as Vita Vee stated thousands upon thousands of hours. People are educated in 5 years, full time, to learn to program. It is harder than this IM-business and requires a very logical mind. You will need creativity as well if you want to do something neat and not just repeat some textbook example. Imo, your time is better spent learning to earn money and pay for the software that you can't find pirated.

Good Luck

[Bonzok]

I'm studying IT and I'm a programmer but I hate it. I study VB and Java. Often you got to sit down and debug the error and found out you missed out a ;

[ckramer18]

I've always been interested in programming and I'm majoring in Computer Science. The thing about programming it seems is you will never know everything about a particular language, which is pretty cool, in a way. It'd be awesome to be able to make a program on your first try and have it compile correctly with no errors.

[Infinity]

Thanks everyone for all the comments and feedback. Ok. I decided, I will learn programming before the year is ended! So, for further clarity, I want to make things like SENuke, Link Dozer, Article Submission and Link Software, Software for automating every simple task.

So what type of programming knowledge is needed for a software that dose web stuff like the things above?

Going to start with C++ I guess... No worries. I do have programming background, just that it is extremely basic, and I have forgotten all of it. LOL. But I'm sure I will be able to dig it back out.

Will look into UBot if I have some extra money in future too...

[Infinity]

Anyone know a good online resource for going through C++? I guess I will be learning one language at a time, so starting with C++ first, and maybe going to VB after that...

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(01-04-2010 10:41 PM)snikaclick Wrote:  Hi Infinity!
I would like to give my opinion och your question.
I would like to state that both of my parents are programmers and I myself have done quite a lot of programming in my days, mainly with C#/C++

First of, the answer is dependent on what kind of programmer you want to become. If you want to design software in general, C++ and Java are two languages that are extremely popular. If you are talking about web design then javascript, css, php.

Now I want to advice you from becoming a programmer.

This is because I don't get the impression you want to be a full-time programmer and to become one takes as Vita Vee stated thousands upon thousands of hours. People are educated in 5 years, full time, to learn to program. It is harder than this IM-business and requires a very logical mind. You will need creativity as well if you want to do something neat and not just repeat some textbook example. Imo, your time is better spent learning to earn money and pay for the software that you can't find pirated.

Good Luck

Thanks for your advice snikaclick...

I'm sure that what you are saying is true, but there are a few reasons why I would like to make my own software.

1. Sense of personal achievement.
2. I love learning.
3. I want to personalize the software as and when I want it. I don't want to have to wait days or months just to find an update or a suggestion to be added.
4. It will make me much more versatile in my online business.
5. I want to make things that people would have never imagined before.

Perhaps it is true that it takes 5 years of full time study to learn it in a college, but I think that is considering all the assignments and projects you have to do, as well as the lectures you have to attend. Most of it is just a waste of time...

There is also the issue of scope, as I believe learning for 5 years in a college is more geared towards finding you a job, whereas by learning yourself, you can take what you need, and cut out whatever you don't...

But I do find this to be an interesting discussion.

Cheers and thanks for your reply.
Infinity

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(01-05-2010 06:07 AM)Bonzok Wrote:  I'm studying IT and I'm a programmer but I hate it. I study VB and Java. Often you got to sit down and debug the error and found out you missed out a ;

Hmm... perhaps you should pursue something in your area of interest?

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(11-13-2009 02:32 PM)graham23s Wrote:  PHP is a good one i learned from books and mainly video tutorials (i think i have nion everyone made lol)

pm me if you want i can send some for ya.

Graham

Thanks Graham, maybe it would be next on my list.

I think I will study C++ first, as per VitaVee's advice.

[jackf]

PHP.... everything else is pointless!

WHY?

This is the era of the internet. Haven't you noticed yet?? We're moving from desktop to online applications. Check out 'Google Chrome OS' or 'Cloud Computing'.

PHP is the most supported and used online application development programming language bar none. Bit of Javascript wouldn't go amiss either for ajax and such.

Stay with the times or get left behind.

[immarketer]

Going C or C++ route can be a long one, so if you want speed things up, try scripting languages, like lua or etc. And you can always implement your knowledge of scripting into your future projects when you'll become well versed in C or C++, as they can work together.

[Infinity]

There seem to be a lot of opinions on this...

I'm not experienced enough to tell which is the best option, so I will just stick with one. I can always learn more of them later...

[CarlosAmigos]

Infinity,

Maybe when you make your program create it with the Internet Marketing niche in mind, so that our job is made easier, that way it will be pretty easy to sell in. As it has all the functions in there that will help us get more traffic, get articles out there quicker, etc etc..

So go through the thinking process of "As an internet marketer what will make my job so much easier?, Or what can I do to automate this process?"

Ideas like those will likely sell better, as it helps free people's time up, so they can do bigger and better things.

If you have some bucks maybe try getting some stuff done on Elance or equivalent site?

I used to be a ColdFusion programmer (its a script language for rapid application development) that was probably the easiest language for anyone to do stuff in, and with 40%-80%+ less code than most other scripting languages. It certainly has come a long way since it started, now with ajax and other nice features built in - coding for these new elements are pretty quick. The market was mainly medium - large apps so it really didn't fit the IM niche as they seem to go for Linux / Apache / My SQL / PHP (LAMP) as they are all free.

[darktony]

I found out VB is easier to pick up for beginner, also the IDE itself give you a very bright sight on the GUI. Some famous IM tools like Senuke is written with VB as well. C++ is a powerful language, but you need to pick a framework for the GUI development. For web development, no doubts PHP is the most popular language out there, lots of sample source code you can refer to.